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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptics earned podcast

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episode number 451 for the 11th of June

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2017 richardsaunders here with you from

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soggy soggy Sydney Australia a little

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bit soggy bit cold and wet and soggy

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periodically thank you to all those

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people who have been enquiring about my

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um recent bout of shingles much better I

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am very much better I get the occasional

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nerve pain across the face in the head

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but it's clearing up very nicely and as

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I mentioned last week it's not something

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you particularly want to get but I hope

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here in a very short couple of weeks I

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should I should be quite well again

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coming up on this week's show a report

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with Heidi Robertson the raw skeptic

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this week's Heidi is not going to be

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looking at vaccination issues she is

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going to be interviewing astronomer

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Dylan O Donnell who is putting together

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star stuff a festival of cosmology

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astronomy astrophysics astrophotography

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and science in the beautiful town of

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Byron Bay on the far north coast of New

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South Wales which is Byron Bay's

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Australia's most easterly point coming

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up later on in June in fact June the

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24th and the 25th star stuff's going to

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have a well dare I say a galaxy of stars

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including dr. Cole cruse linear scheme a

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weekend of astronomy in Byron Bay find

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out all about it coming up with the raw

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skeptic report to kick off this week's a

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sceptic zone and of course if you're

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going to star stuff in Byron Bay and you

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might want to rush to the website and

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buy your tickets after hearing this

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interview with Dylan O'Donnell be sure

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to say hello to the raw skeptic yourself

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Heidi Robertson who will be attending

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following that it's a little item that I

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noticed appearing on the website of the

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health spectator by it's at Ernst

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listing a group of worldwide Health

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Organization's many countries are

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listing their

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official responses or their official

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statements regarding homeopathy the text

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book quackery that is oh my Appa the--

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then it's brouhaha science from

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Australia Science Channel with Ben Lewis

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looking at a recent discovery which puts

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humanity the evolution of humanity back

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about a hundred thousand years when I

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say back about I mean in time it appears

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that homo sapiens have been around a bit

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longer or quite a chunk of a time longer

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than we originally thought that science

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for you that science for you updating

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correcting modifying fine-tuning find

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out more with brouhaha science and

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around off the show it's off to a ghost

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to her here in Sydney Harbour on

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Cockatoo Island which has had a varied

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history for the last a couple of hundred

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years including at one stage being a

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prison Island I head out with Lara

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Benham Trish Han lethean Dean stranger

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things down under group we go in search

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of ghosts so and on the spot field night

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ghost report with the stranger things

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things that have caught my attention I

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noticed that the follow up to the movie

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the documentary here be dragons by Brian

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Dunning principles of curiosity is about

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to launch we wish that production all

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the best I've seen a sneak peek preview

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and my goodness me the production values

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are our chester hollywood standard i

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guess if that's a standard it looks

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sensational but more about that soon

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we'll do a proper review of that movie

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check it out if you google principles of

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curiosity and i must relate to you a

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little note I got from a listener in

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South Australia Duncan Thank You Duncan

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for your note he reminds me and it's a

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it's a very worthwhile repeating or

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remaining everybody

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that when I mentioned Maynard last week

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and I said I wonder if he would make a

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good ambulance driver of course what I

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should have said was paramedic as a

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paramedics do a lot more than just a

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drive ambulances they're highly

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qualified health professionals and when

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I say health professional I don't mean

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the denigrating a ridiculous title they

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give to anybody from naturopath to here

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Adal just to to homeopaths I mean a true

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medically trained health professional

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paramedics my uncle who has been dead

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now safely for many years he was an

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ambulance officer but I don't think I

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ever heard him referred to as a

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paramedic maybe somebody can correct me

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but I don't know how long that term has

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been used he was certainly a qualified

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medical professional and an a damn good

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ambulance driver as well because they

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have to drive with regardless anyway

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Thank You Duncan from South Australian

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ambulance service for uh just pointing

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that out to me man it's well worth

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I think Maynard does a fine job being a

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broadcaster I think we'll let him do

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that instead of being a paramedic well

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that's all for me at the moment I'm

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going to run downstairs going to have

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the classic cup of coffee plunger coffee

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and Vegemite toast out of a jar a

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Vegemite jar that has printed on it

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instead of the word Vegemite it says

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uncle rich which was a a gift from my

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nieces and nephews I though that was

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very cute why I enjoyed that I hope you

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enjoy the skeptic zone

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it's the raw skeptic report with Heidi

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Robertson hello everyone this is Heidi

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Robertson from the Northern Rivers

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vaccinations supporters a few weeks ago

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I heard about an event advertised in

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Bombay in the Northern Rivers of New

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South Wales and I have to admit my brain

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heard the advertisement as an astrology

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festival my brain clearly thought that

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an astrology event here was much more

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likely than what it actually was going

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to be an astronomy event after all Byron

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side salad of whoo like astrology with

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the main course of course being a large

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serving of anti-vaccination sentiment

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with a garnish of energy healing I was

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fortunate enough a couple of days ago to

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be able to speak with the event

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organizer Dylan O'Donnell and we bring

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you this interview now and hope you

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enjoy it and Here I am now with Dylan

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O'Donnell and Dylan can you start off by

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telling the skeptics and listeners a

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little bit about who you are what you do

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and what star stuff is all about so I

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have the honor of running the

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easternmost observatory in Australia

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just technically in my backyard and

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Bajor puppies babies - the last one in

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I'm also on team for Leicester I might

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do a lot of Astro photography work and

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I'm very very busy pumping up top of the

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after toffee all the time as part of

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mine now it's outreach to a bit of

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science outreach for the community as

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well you know taking care school groups

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and car groups things like that and

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the star festival of the cosmos being

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firebase bus number one is on intellect

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June in Byron Bay if we've got any local

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to that and tell us a bit about the

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speakers there what are they going to

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speak about sure so it's time the event

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to come inside the be New Moon so that

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there's no one no moon around we are in

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the middle of the Milky Way season right

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now so the perfect opportunities with

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Billy Barnes dark skies and take a

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beautiful Milky Way Astro photos with

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your own DSLR we will be running

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photography workshops with Canon

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Australia on what but the big draw card

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both is dr. Karl who will be heading up

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a VIP dinner on the Saturday night and

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presentation it is invitation on great

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mud and space line and it also be taking

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questions as an open dr. Karl question

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announcer the next day on the Sunday as

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going forward to that I've just bought

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my ticket for the two days herself and

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um as listeners know dr. Karl's been on

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the skeptic zone a few times now and he

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also helped our host Richard Saunders

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vaccination Chronicles so he's he's a

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good friend of the show and looking very

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very much forward to meeting him I'm a

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bit of a fan girl I must say now I'm

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just looking at some of your photographs

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online and they're just amazing when did

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you actually start getting into this

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kind of photography I just walked into a

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shop about three years ago and walked

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out with a telescope on a whim and since

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then I've been going through down the

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rabbit hole of astrophotography and I've

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become very prolific quite obsessive

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maybe a little bit little bit crazy my

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wife might think yeah but I've been

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featured on

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NASA's website our own picture of the

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Wow and nuclear Space Agency and those

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commissioned me to go and take both

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ambiguous Australia folk I'm I'm quite

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good at taking a selfie but as far as

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they're looking at the pictures on your

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online some of the pictures are just

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astounding what you can do these days

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with the UM the camera equipment that

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revolution in in all industries which

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has everyone transitions digital and the

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photography revolution happen a you know

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the late 90s early 2000 digital cameras

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were starting to catch up to the point

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where film dispelled by the wayside now

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we've astrophotography the best meant

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that there's a whole other step now with

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Astro photography which is the

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post-processing so we can now draw out a

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lot more detail a lot more signal from

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our images using post-processing and

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darks that being and different

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transforms and algorithms that can run

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over these images which we've been able

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to do before with film so that's really

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really change the game and the pictures

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that you see in magazines like

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Australian scientist go for or if you

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follow sir photographers like myself the

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images the West has now even up their

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relative beginners better than the years

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beyond the capabilities of even the best

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after photographers from 10 years ago

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it's really changed the game it's quite

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incredible how fast it's all progressing

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isn't it so as far as some of the other

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speakers go what can you tell us about

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some the other speakers that will be on

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star stuff in Bombay look dr. Karl

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obviously appeal to the general public

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the rest of the speakers are probably

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people that your listeners will know it

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it's a real khufu of astronomy and

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science dr. Alan Duffy sometimes known

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as the hottest astronomer in Australia

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dr. Katy max after physicists from

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Melbourne Marty have come from the Year

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dr. Fred Fred what

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advocate and lifelong astronomer dr.

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David Malin has in the Malin award dr.

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David Malin he basically invented Astro

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work in restoring an observatory dr.

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indigenous societies use I will be

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the more based technology which is

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really astray Leah's first foray into

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the space race they are doing they are

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literally doing rock building rockets

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for um transport of satellite interface

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we also have two bonus speakers which

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are mentioned on the website which is

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Michaela Jeffrey will be talking to us

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about the European Space Agency's role

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in Australia Australia's role in in

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their work and their mission and also

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our local biome a high school students

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Jade Russell who it was so impressive

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that her science teacher contact with me

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to say you really took to oxidation for

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the whole assignment on orbital

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calculations and orbital dynamics and

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she's going to present her research on

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the sunday world should be great oh I'm

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so looking forward to what an impressive

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lineup and now I have to ask being Byron

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previous reports on the skeptic zone

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know that Byron Bay isn't averse to some

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pseudo scientific concepts at times did

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you have trouble getting funding for

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this event so this is all funded out of

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my own pocket and I have a confidence in

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me in the event and the audience we've

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already sold them a 300 ticket

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so it's Pervin itself there is a demand

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in Australia to science and education

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entertainment you know not everyone to

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go to the footy or go to a surface a lot

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of us so I think I've proven the tape

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but early on in the piece I did apply

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the funding with destination here as

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well and we were knocked back and during

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the feedback process I've got them sold

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them and they went through the

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acceptance notes with me through our

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application and the very first note

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mentioned that they were unsure whether

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astrology would be a big enough market

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for a vessel they had clearly mistaken

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the whole concept of stuff as an

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astrology festival I don't know how they

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could possibly dr. Karl is going to come

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and talk about horoscopes now obviously

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that made the rest of the application

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make no sense at all they even said

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things from the feedback of written down

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MERS I fail to see how this event will

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generate overnight walking now this is

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an astronomy festival people would

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literally there overnight to look at the

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start you can't go in URL you have to

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come and stay in town but we're very

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pleased with the performance regardless

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of the funding situation because I knew

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that this would work anyway

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well we've been told that the the venue

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who elements Sabourin who do a lot of

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them accommodation and crappy stuff they

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have had more bookings from our little

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front that's more than the right of fit

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or what you did a decade is that right

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Wow well that's really encouraging I

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have to say mmm it's really heartwarming

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you know it was the same sort of warming

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feeling I got when I when I presented at

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the World Science Festival in Brisbane

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and to see that many people out there

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with their families for the weekend to

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participate in science it was just it

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really was heartwarming and you know a

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hundred thousand people came through

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South Bank on that weekend so there is a

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market there that the sort of in the

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blind spot for the media and in

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commercial TV and all that they just

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think that it's being recognized

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just how much less earth the audience

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there is Podesta yeah yeah absolutely

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agree well it's going to be a great

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event and as a bonus you might actually

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get a few

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people buying tickets who do think

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they're going to an Australia vent and

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then might actually learn some sides

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while they're there right so we wind

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well Dylan just to wrap up if people

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want to find out first of all about you

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and the photography that you do and

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you'll have a look at some of your

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amazing pictures where can they go

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online to have a look at that I do have

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a official photo blog which is beyond

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goofy calm which is like geography

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geography calm but I'm probably most

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active online then if you just first

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Instagram for Dylan O'Donnell you'll

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find me in there for bookings to

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Festival go to WWE from the bay you

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you'll find other stickerless secession

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accommodation special and you can book

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it online right so that's star stuff

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dot-com dot a you for tickets to the

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festival and if you'd like to check out

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some of Dylan's photography Instagram

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might be the best place to go Dylan

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O'Donnell with a I believe it's a double

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n and a double l is that right yes Dylan

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underscore O'Donnell I love call it is

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oh do mm mm great

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Dylan and maybe we'll we'll catch up at

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the event itself they put a lot of any

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ID I'd love to see some of you there if

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you're coming to this event here's some

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of the brisbane skeptics are driving

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down for it

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hello breezy skeptics if you do come be

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sure to find me and say hi until next

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time this has been Heidi Robertson from

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the Northern Rivers vaccination

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supporters bye

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starstuff festival of the cosmos this

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June 24th and 25th in Byron Bay under

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the moonless sky with the Milky Way high

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overhead Australia's leading experts on

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space cosmology astronomy astrophysics

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astrophotography and science come

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together for a series of talks on

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everything from Aboriginal astronomy

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space photography and even the end of

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the universe

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sponsored by celestron and bin tell this

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unprecedented lineup in Australia's most

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easterly location is sure to expand

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minds in a way that hasn't been seen

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since the Aquarius Festival don't miss

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out on this unforgettable event speakers

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include dr. Karl Cruz and is key dr.

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Katy Mac dr. Alan Duffy dr. Fred Watson

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Dylan O Donnell and many more for more

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information and to book your tickets

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here's an item that caught my eye over

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the last week as reported in the health

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spectator Cote UK by Ed sod Ernst the

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debate about homeopathy is over these

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verdicts prove it a bold headline what

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Ed's a tone says done he's made a list

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of 12 respected health institutions from

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around the world and their statements on

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homeopathy so let's look at them we have

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number one the principles of homeopathy

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contradicts known chemical physical and

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biological laws and persuasive

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scientific trials proving its

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effectiveness and not available Russian

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Academy of Sciences number two

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homeopathy should not be used to treat

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health conditions that a chronic serious

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or could become serious people who

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choose homeopathy may put their health

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at risk if they reject or delay

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treatments for which there is no good

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evidence for safety and effectiveness

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National Health and Medical Research

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Council Australia number three these

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products are not supported by scientific

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evidence

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Health Canada for homeopathic remedies

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don't meet the criteria evidence-based

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medicine Hungarian Academy of Sciences 5

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the incorporation of anthropo Safa chol

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and homeopathic products in the Swedish

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directive on medical products would run

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counter to several of the fundamental

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principles regarding medical products

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and evidence-based medicine Swedish

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we recommend patients and caregivers not

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give homeopathic teething

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tablets and gels to children and seek

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advice from their health care

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professional for safe alternatives US

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Food and Drug Administration sarin there

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is little evidence to support homeopathy

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as an effective treatment for any

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specific condition National Center for

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there is no good quality evidence that

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homeopathy is effective as a treatment

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for any health condition National Health

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Service UK nine homeopathic remedies

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perform no better than placebos and the

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principles on which homeopathy is based

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are scientifically implausible House of

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Commons Science and Technology Committee

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UK 10 homeopathy has not definitely

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proven its efficacy in any specific

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indication or clinical situation

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Ministry of Health Spain 11 there is a

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consistent increase in the quality of

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evidence and the conviction of the

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scientific community in medicine that

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homeopathy should be treated as one of

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the unscientific methods of so-called

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alternative medicine which proposes

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worthless products without

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scientifically proven efficacy National

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Medical Council Poland 12 from a purely

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clinical perspective the fact remains

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that there is no valid empirical proof

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of the efficacy of homeopathy beyond the

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placebo effect federal knowledge center

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for health care Belgium and professor Ed

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sideburns rounds off his little article

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and I'll link to this in the show notes

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so don't trust me I'm only a doctor but

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surely you must trust this multitude of

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judgments made by officials who have no

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axe to grind and merely aim at informing

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the public responsibly homeopathy is

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neither plausible nor evidence-based and

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hello dear skeptical friends this is

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cleric Lamberg who organizer of the

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European skeptics Congress 2017 this

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year the Congress will be held in broad

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South Pole and on September 22nd to 24th

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and is my absolute pleasure to invite

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you to attend come and listen to talks

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by James Randi susan gerbic mark Lynas

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Susan Blackmore Scotland Feld and others

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discuss topics like science and religion

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to science and media paranormal

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investigation and more to buy a ticket

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and to get more information by the

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Congress go to Euroskeptics con org or

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[Music]

550
00:27:35,070 --> 00:27:33,070
and now direct from the cafe at

551
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:35,080
Australia's Science Channel

552
00:27:45,509 --> 00:27:42,640
it's brouhaha with Ben Lewis yesterday

553
00:27:46,919 --> 00:27:45,519
we thought humans are about 200 thousand

554
00:27:49,980 --> 00:27:46,929
years old today

555
00:27:52,110 --> 00:27:49,990
you can add 50% to that figure newly

556
00:27:54,779 --> 00:27:52,120
discovered fossils set the benchmark at

557
00:27:57,149 --> 00:27:54,789
around 300 thousand years old it's not

558
00:28:00,120 --> 00:27:57,159
just hyperbole it really does change the

559
00:28:02,669 --> 00:28:00,130
story of humanity remains of three

560
00:28:04,740 --> 00:28:02,679
adults a teenager and a child were found

561
00:28:06,659 --> 00:28:04,750
in Morocco which means Homo sapiens

562
00:28:09,149 --> 00:28:06,669
spread throughout Africa before they

563
00:28:11,730 --> 00:28:09,159
left the continent their faces even look

564
00:28:14,820 --> 00:28:11,740
like heirs but they had elongated skulls

565
00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:14,830
so not only are they super old they show

566
00:28:19,230 --> 00:28:17,529
us evolution in action there must have

567
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:19,240
been pretty clever because they've found

568
00:28:24,690 --> 00:28:22,000
stone tools nearby animal remains

569
00:28:27,930 --> 00:28:24,700
suggest they hunted large prey a group

570
00:28:29,780 --> 00:28:27,940
plus tools plus animals it's almost too

571
00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:29,790
good to be true

572
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:32,370
the world 300 thousand years ago was

573
00:28:37,010 --> 00:28:34,010
very different to what we know today

574
00:28:39,230 --> 00:28:37,020
Homo sapiens lived across Africa the

575
00:28:41,210 --> 00:28:39,240
amethyst reemerging in Europe Homo

576
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:41,220
erectus called Asia home and they were

577
00:28:46,220 --> 00:28:44,010
possibly other human life species all

578
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,230
these species around the world with no

579
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:48,720
knowledge of each other's existence soon

580
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:50,850
to encounter each other and lead to us

581
00:29:04,110 --> 00:28:56,490
today for more brouhaha and australian

582
00:29:21,299 --> 00:29:07,690
[Music]

583
00:29:24,060 --> 00:29:21,309
I'm down here at Circular King in Sydney

584
00:29:30,379 --> 00:29:24,070
where the fairies leave for various

585
00:29:32,639 --> 00:29:30,389
parts of the city it's a cold evening

586
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:32,649
lots of people milling about though

587
00:29:36,659 --> 00:29:34,480
there's a busker over there just about

588
00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:36,669
to sing a song I think lots of people

589
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:38,710
milling about because at the moment the

590
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:40,690
city is having the annual vivid light

591
00:29:46,409 --> 00:29:43,840
festival so after dark we're at six

592
00:29:47,879 --> 00:29:46,419
o'clock lots of lights come on the

593
00:29:51,869 --> 00:29:47,889
Harbour Bridge is lit up the Opera House

594
00:29:53,580 --> 00:29:51,879
is lit up and it attracts millions of

595
00:29:57,610 --> 00:29:53,590
people every year it's been going for

596
00:30:05,380 --> 00:30:02,560
so I'm making my way possible well

597
00:30:09,039 --> 00:30:05,390
hundreds of people already down here

598
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:09,049
it's not even 5 o'clock it's a Saturday

599
00:30:13,690 --> 00:30:11,120
so this will be a very popular night for

600
00:30:18,570 --> 00:30:13,700
vivid even though it's cold I'm dressed

601
00:30:22,269 --> 00:30:18,580
in my in my beanie and my scarf and a

602
00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:22,279
long coat that's a fairy why am I here

603
00:30:26,289 --> 00:30:24,529
well I'm joining the stranger things

604
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:26,299
down under a meetup group here in su

605
00:30:31,090 --> 00:30:28,850
Facebook group and we're off to a place

606
00:30:36,820 --> 00:30:31,100
called Cockatoo Island which is in

607
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:36,830
Sydney Harbor for a ghost experience a

608
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:41,120
ghosty to earth once again how many goes

609
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:43,250
to is every nan now I can't I don't know

610
00:30:51,370 --> 00:30:46,000
I guess I've lost count over the years

611
00:30:53,470 --> 00:30:51,380
so far my ghost experiences up front and

612
00:30:57,730 --> 00:30:53,480
up close and personal with ghosts has

613
00:30:58,210 --> 00:30:57,740
been zero who knows yeah maybe tonight's

614
00:31:04,090 --> 00:30:58,220
the night

615
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:04,100
oh it's Trish hello Trish she caught me

616
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:06,890
talking to myself God Trisha you

617
00:31:12,399 --> 00:31:09,770
remember from last week where you heard

618
00:31:14,620 --> 00:31:12,409
Trish doing some of her CPR at skeptics

619
00:31:17,409 --> 00:31:14,630
in the pub hi Trish Hey saving lives

620
00:31:19,930 --> 00:31:17,419
recently you've been saving lives have

621
00:31:22,419 --> 00:31:19,940
you no no well thank you for that

622
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:22,429
because I was unwell and wasn't able to

623
00:31:26,110 --> 00:31:23,840
come to skeptics in the pub but I did

624
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:26,120
hear Maynard's report of course and it

625
00:31:29,980 --> 00:31:27,890
was terrific I missed out on a really

626
00:31:32,169 --> 00:31:29,990
good not it well you never know we might

627
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:32,179
do it again soon there's no such thing

628
00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:34,130
as too much life-saving I will I believe

629
00:31:38,830 --> 00:31:36,529
you and by the sound of sounds of things

630
00:31:40,269 --> 00:31:38,840
may not did okay last week huh I think

631
00:31:40,980 --> 00:31:40,279
he did alright yeah I think he's got the

632
00:31:43,419 --> 00:31:40,990
chops for it

633
00:31:45,250 --> 00:31:43,429
good old maenad well he's got the rhythm

634
00:31:48,130 --> 00:31:45,260
you see he knows the beat he's all about

635
00:31:49,450 --> 00:31:48,140
the beat yeah so here we are it's I was

636
00:31:51,539 --> 00:31:49,460
just telling the listeners that it's a

637
00:31:53,409 --> 00:31:51,549
cold

638
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:53,419
that's what may not would call a

639
00:31:57,549 --> 00:31:54,890
background loser

640
00:31:59,680 --> 00:31:57,559
somebody healing out there it's a cold

641
00:32:01,539 --> 00:31:59,690
evening with your dress up with yellow

642
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:01,549
scarf with skulls on it the beanie

643
00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:04,880
absolutely we're almost matched and so

644
00:32:08,260 --> 00:32:06,289
you're of course you're part of the

645
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:08,270
stranger things down under group and

646
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:10,330
what is tonight all about it

647
00:32:16,830 --> 00:32:12,610
we're ghost-hunting on an old prison

648
00:32:18,180 --> 00:32:16,840
Island which is a gonna be fun I didn't

649
00:32:19,290 --> 00:32:18,190
know that was a prison I think you sure

650
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:19,300
it was a prison I didn't let me just

651
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:21,010
giggle it I'm always a chick I know I

652
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:22,450
know that fort denison

653
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:24,370
is it was an old prison Island I didn't

654
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:25,840
know about Cockatoo Island Australia

655
00:32:33,450 --> 00:32:31,210
itself was a press that cuts through

656
00:32:35,420 --> 00:32:33,460
quick I'll have you know that my

657
00:32:38,460 --> 00:32:35,430
ancestors are not happy you said that

658
00:32:43,050 --> 00:32:38,470
there were 13 of them were deported from

659
00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:43,060
the UK Wow 13 yeah yeah just just me I

660
00:32:49,050 --> 00:32:47,710
Manuel it was deported here are you so

661
00:32:50,580 --> 00:32:49,060
we'll check that out but no we're

662
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:50,590
waiting for some other people from the

663
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:51,760
group and we're going to jump on a ferry

664
00:32:55,500 --> 00:32:53,650
we're actually the right walk is he wore

665
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:55,510
five that's where they they leave from

666
00:33:04,130 --> 00:32:58,320
and we'll be checking out yet another

667
00:33:10,590 --> 00:33:06,870
time has moved on a little bit now we're

668
00:33:12,090 --> 00:33:10,600
on the wharf we're on the wharf it's

669
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:12,100
creaking and rocking a little bit hello

670
00:33:17,850 --> 00:33:15,250
Olivia hello Richard are you ready for a

671
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:17,860
spooky good time once more once more

672
00:33:26,010 --> 00:33:22,210
unto the breach yeah once more unto time

673
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:26,020
I am I am ready for a spooky good time

674
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:29,050
we're here with the Tricia's you would

675
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:30,370
have heard earlier and Lara's here too

676
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:34,450
so it's the small but happy band yeah

677
00:33:39,300 --> 00:33:36,010
and I really don't know what to expect

678
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:39,310
this time I done a previously we've done

679
00:33:42,750 --> 00:33:40,720
a ghost tour of the rocks and I'd been

680
00:33:44,490 --> 00:33:42,760
through the rocks before on a tour

681
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:44,500
whereas this time I really don't know

682
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:47,050
you're on what manner of spooks were

683
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:49,210
more likely to expect well you and I are

684
00:33:53,940 --> 00:33:51,010
a veteran of a few ghosty tours of

685
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:53,950
course well the ghost hunts again yes

686
00:33:56,370 --> 00:33:54,490
yes

687
00:33:58,530 --> 00:33:56,380
now I'm really looking forward to it

688
00:34:04,760 --> 00:33:58,540
we're just waiting for our boat to come

689
00:34:08,330 --> 00:34:07,010
and here's our ship our boat it's a

690
00:34:14,060 --> 00:34:08,340
river cat there we go

691
00:34:22,700 --> 00:34:14,070
gates are open and we're piling on over

692
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:27,250
and into the cabin

693
00:34:27,260 --> 00:34:32,770
I've lost all the others

694
00:34:38,260 --> 00:34:36,880
oh here they are I've decided even

695
00:34:40,270 --> 00:34:38,270
though it's a cold britain it-- that

696
00:34:41,790 --> 00:34:40,280
we're all sitting right up the front for

697
00:34:44,890 --> 00:34:41,800
the view why not

698
00:34:45,810 --> 00:34:44,900
we run up thank you ask Oscar in here

699
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:45,820
right

700
00:34:53,710 --> 00:34:51,440
[Music]

701
00:34:56,110 --> 00:34:53,720
there's rumblings you hear are not my

702
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:56,120
stomach from the chocolate muffin I had

703
00:35:00,340 --> 00:34:58,130
it's the ship coming into a very ominous

704
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:00,350
looking Cockatoo Island it's dark it's

705
00:35:05,490 --> 00:35:02,810
creepy it's cold

706
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:05,500
luckily Trish's here to save us all

707
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:14,810
thank you and we're on the giant wharf

708
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:19,850
here turn this corner and it is a bit

709
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:22,400
creepy Lara it's so exciting

710
00:35:29,020 --> 00:35:27,440
yes I know do we tap off by the way okay

711
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:29,030
we're looking for the mundane thing

712
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:31,850
tapping out our furry cards hotel travel

713
00:35:35,170 --> 00:35:33,290
cut

714
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:35,180
there we go so know it's a security

715
00:35:42,820 --> 00:35:39,040
guard no I sure I don't think we do

716
00:35:42,820 --> 00:35:42,830
because do we Oh

717
00:35:53,500 --> 00:35:50,350
up ahead alright well this is a strange

718
00:35:57,580 --> 00:35:53,510
noises around us already there's only

719
00:35:58,930 --> 00:35:57,590
very limited street light when the ferry

720
00:36:00,750 --> 00:35:58,940
leaves we'll be stranded

721
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:00,760
Alethea

722
00:36:14,050 --> 00:36:05,450
whatever are we going to do oh here it

723
00:36:17,260 --> 00:36:14,060
is we can tap off now opal if I don't

724
00:36:23,490 --> 00:36:17,270
tap off this is the the haunted tapping

725
00:36:30,070 --> 00:36:26,830
I think if if we wait around here I

726
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:30,080
think things should make themselves

727
00:36:40,030 --> 00:36:36,650
clear I've never been here in the night

728
00:36:42,070 --> 00:36:40,040
time it looks a little bit eerie or very

729
00:36:47,650 --> 00:36:42,080
old buildings high on sort of cliff

730
00:36:49,690 --> 00:36:47,660
faces big old sheds and we're trying to

731
00:36:51,130 --> 00:36:49,700
find our way to where the tour starts oh

732
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:51,140
we're going to go through a very long

733
00:36:57,460 --> 00:36:55,130
panel which I think dates from the

734
00:36:59,410 --> 00:36:57,470
Second World War I think I remember

735
00:37:03,970 --> 00:36:59,420
hearing that they're digging these

736
00:37:05,590 --> 00:37:03,980
tunnels for various reasons Lara's

737
00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:05,600
whispering in case the ghosts here is

738
00:37:10,220 --> 00:37:07,710
apparently

739
00:37:17,140 --> 00:37:10,230
Thanks please you know maybe they got

740
00:37:22,969 --> 00:37:20,150
okay if anybody needs a torch I have got

741
00:37:25,489 --> 00:37:22,979
a couple of spare ones in my bag okay so

742
00:37:28,190 --> 00:37:25,499
just let me know if you need that okay

743
00:37:30,890 --> 00:37:28,200
say said my name is carol we've got

744
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:30,900
about two and a half hours exploring to

745
00:37:35,900 --> 00:37:33,930
see what we can find or more likely what

746
00:37:38,359 --> 00:37:35,910
find us if that's what happens when it

747
00:37:40,450 --> 00:37:38,369
gets dark out on Cockatoo Island you

748
00:37:42,650 --> 00:37:40,460
never quite know what's going to happen

749
00:37:44,690 --> 00:37:42,660
we have got a couple little safety

750
00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:44,700
warnings first we have got some golf

751
00:37:50,059 --> 00:37:46,529
carts on the island or did I say golf

752
00:37:59,049 --> 00:37:50,069
carts ghost car on the island we do just

753
00:38:02,479 --> 00:37:59,059
have to be aware there are tips ah

754
00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:02,489
apparently some people have well the two

755
00:38:07,819 --> 00:38:04,529
is underway but so is the rain so we're

756
00:38:10,759 --> 00:38:07,829
all moving down towards some of these

757
00:38:11,690 --> 00:38:10,769
haunted buildings no doubt for the

758
00:38:14,749 --> 00:38:11,700
haunted rain

759
00:38:23,690 --> 00:38:14,759
luckily Lee Thea has brought her ghostly

760
00:38:26,089 --> 00:38:23,700
umbrella wise of her anyway they will

761
00:38:28,009 --> 00:38:26,099
repeat offenders so there were people

762
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:28,019
who've been sent out from Britain for

763
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:30,089
doing something sometimes mine are like

764
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:31,650
stealing a bread roll trying to feed

765
00:38:36,739 --> 00:38:33,599
their family they weren't educated they

766
00:38:39,709 --> 00:38:36,749
didn't have a any sort of job but if

767
00:38:41,509 --> 00:38:39,719
they had a skill that would be used by

768
00:38:43,279 --> 00:38:41,519
the authorities so this beautiful

769
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:43,289
stonework above the doors and the

770
00:38:48,739 --> 00:38:45,569
windows was the work of a convict

771
00:38:52,370 --> 00:38:48,749
stonemason and his team called mr. Swan

772
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:52,380
now mr Swan sadly was a notorious bully

773
00:38:57,140 --> 00:38:54,410
on Cockatoo Island

774
00:39:00,410 --> 00:38:57,150
who we heard a cup of our spooky tales

775
00:39:02,359 --> 00:39:00,420
just then from our tour guide which were

776
00:39:04,989 --> 00:39:02,369
sort of spooky little bit sad bit of

777
00:39:07,870 --> 00:39:04,999
history but a sad convict history really

778
00:39:11,569 --> 00:39:07,880
going around the corner here past these

779
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:11,579
huge buildings here on Cockatoo Island

780
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:14,130
well they're not that big but they're

781
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:15,930
impressive anyway

782
00:39:23,660 --> 00:39:19,890
the rain stopped it's nice and eerie

783
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:23,670
ilithyia yeah the dark night a certainly

784
00:39:31,940 --> 00:39:27,599
area it's overcast the cliffs ahead of

785
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:31,950
us are well lit to cast shadows and so

786
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:34,130
we've just been hearing about a to

787
00:39:40,930 --> 00:39:37,440
convicts that were interned here and the

788
00:39:43,940 --> 00:39:40,940
older past in the old EBUS that's right

789
00:39:46,339 --> 00:39:43,950
and we're just coming around beside this

790
00:39:48,529 --> 00:39:46,349
building now my goodness we were

791
00:39:50,180 --> 00:39:48,539
entering these giant doors and it's like

792
00:39:53,210 --> 00:39:50,190
a huge warehouse in here

793
00:39:54,289 --> 00:39:53,220
well the skeleton of a warehouse pretty

794
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:54,299
well did I think they have art

795
00:39:59,269 --> 00:39:56,970
performances here and art exhibitions

796
00:40:01,609 --> 00:39:59,279
yeah the last time I was here was for an

797
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:01,619
island-wide art exhibition where they

798
00:40:08,900 --> 00:40:05,130
had different installations dotted

799
00:40:11,210 --> 00:40:08,910
around it's about a little bit creepy at

800
00:40:14,259 --> 00:40:11,220
this time it is a bit but this the scale

801
00:40:17,450 --> 00:40:14,269
is about the size of an aircraft hangar

802
00:40:21,009 --> 00:40:17,460
not as wide but as this tall you could

803
00:40:25,309 --> 00:40:24,319
boarding day I don't normally we go in

804
00:40:26,989 --> 00:40:25,319
here I don't know what I've got it

805
00:40:28,260 --> 00:40:26,999
closed up this evening maybe they're a

806
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:28,270
little bit

807
00:40:34,350 --> 00:40:30,730
about what might happen in that when

808
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:34,360
they had Biennale on it was an artist

809
00:40:40,620 --> 00:40:36,910
who was setting up in this area and she

810
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:40,630
said she kept hearing footsteps and she

811
00:40:43,740 --> 00:40:42,400
got up and she kept looking for people

812
00:40:45,660 --> 00:40:43,750
she couldn't find anyone

813
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:45,670
she kept hearing footsteps broad

814
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:48,730
daylight middle of the day and then she

815
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:50,560
started seeing shadowy figures at the

816
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:52,690
corner of her eye and that word document

817
00:41:00,120 --> 00:40:56,890
I have just been given a token on one of

818
00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:00,130
the dry docks here which was quite

819
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:01,510
interesting we're moving around to

820
00:41:11,780 --> 00:41:06,610
another dry dock this looks very

821
00:41:19,050 --> 00:41:15,540
now just behind you this some clock

822
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:19,060
tower is more modern history this is

823
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:21,370
part of the set when Angelina Jolie was

824
00:41:25,830 --> 00:41:23,410
out here they filmed the second half

825
00:41:28,020 --> 00:41:25,840
unbroken was filmed out here at Cockatoo

826
00:41:33,900 --> 00:41:28,030
Island and that's part of the sentiment

827
00:41:35,340 --> 00:41:33,910
broker they also had Wolverine part of

828
00:41:37,620 --> 00:41:35,350
that was filmed out here

829
00:41:40,350 --> 00:41:37,630
they had Justin Bieber concert they have

830
00:41:41,820 --> 00:41:40,360
their gnarly lots of free events on so

831
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:41,830
it's a great public space where people

832
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:45,610
can come and no landing fees so if you

833
00:41:48,370 --> 00:41:47,170
come out on a ferry you can just come

834
00:41:50,469 --> 00:41:48,380
and have a bit of

835
00:41:53,469 --> 00:41:50,479
so we entered the second panel and we've

836
00:41:55,539 --> 00:41:53,479
been warned and it but be all looks like

837
00:41:57,779 --> 00:41:55,549
a ghostie bit of rubbish we have been

838
00:42:00,880 --> 00:41:57,789
warned at lights may flicker and we made

839
00:42:05,319 --> 00:42:00,890
would you feel any caps on the back no

840
00:42:09,300 --> 00:42:05,329
no she decided it no not from you you

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00:42:09,310 --> 00:42:17,680
[Music]

842
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:20,240
Dorf open he doesn't seem to be there we

843
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:22,410
do things on the back of food that was a

844
00:42:27,260 --> 00:42:25,530
ghost called Trisha now with new album

845
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:27,270
the back of the group just looked out

846
00:42:31,370 --> 00:42:30,090
for an old sea captain he's gone that's

847
00:42:34,460 --> 00:42:31,380
pretty good it's pretty weird

848
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:34,470
oh the god the lights suddenly went out

849
00:42:39,830 --> 00:42:37,920
inexplicably on again that was pretty

850
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:39,840
creepy that was actually a really good

851
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:41,130
time to do it cuz I think we don't let

852
00:42:46,310 --> 00:42:44,610
our guy down she mentioned she mentioned

853
00:42:49,370 --> 00:42:46,320
at the beginning how the lights might

854
00:42:51,260 --> 00:42:49,380
flicker on and off and they did and they

855
00:42:52,820 --> 00:42:51,270
just did and as we were just getting out

856
00:42:55,730 --> 00:42:52,830
of the tunnel once when we'd also

857
00:42:58,520 --> 00:42:55,740
forgotten that she said that remarkable

858
00:43:01,490 --> 00:42:58,530
oh now our on the other side of the

859
00:43:04,010 --> 00:43:01,500
island oh that's right you can come here

860
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:04,020
lots of kids here actually camping for

861
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:08,640
some reason lots of young people here

862
00:43:15,050 --> 00:43:12,450
tonight camping well don't don't jump

863
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:15,060
it's alright don't jump Trisha is

864
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:16,410
sitting right on the end of the fence

865
00:43:21,980 --> 00:43:18,330
here because down below us is a part of

866
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:21,990
the the harbor with the strange fish or

867
00:43:25,970 --> 00:43:24,450
would their mouths open opening and

868
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:25,980
closing and it looks like little stars

869
00:43:30,140 --> 00:43:28,530
twinkling you noticed we can't quite see

870
00:43:31,730 --> 00:43:30,150
the fish themselves we can see their

871
00:43:33,770 --> 00:43:31,740
mouths opening and shutting down below

872
00:43:35,780 --> 00:43:33,780
well the two is over and fact I really

873
00:43:37,940 --> 00:43:35,790
enjoyed it I learned a lot of history i

874
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:37,950
I liked ghost tours purely from the

875
00:43:44,270 --> 00:43:42,210
historic line yeah um it was the same as

876
00:43:45,890 --> 00:43:44,280
every other ghost tour have been on that

877
00:43:47,540 --> 00:43:45,900
is he is an interesting but if you

878
00:43:49,460 --> 00:43:47,550
straight here this character lived here

879
00:43:52,730 --> 00:43:49,470
this is what happened here sometimes

880
00:43:54,650 --> 00:43:52,740
people say ooh and then we move on to

881
00:43:59,060 --> 00:43:54,660
the next location editions are just

882
00:44:00,650 --> 00:43:59,070
right ya know he's some real ghost

883
00:44:02,660 --> 00:44:00,660
Alethea were just saying that we did

884
00:44:05,090 --> 00:44:02,670
learn a lot of history today yeah

885
00:44:07,550 --> 00:44:05,100
although I think some like it seemed a

886
00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:07,560
bit apocryphal like a lot of the stuff

887
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:11,250
about um was it Willy in the convict yes

888
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:14,970
yeah - Oh was just in the wrong place at

889
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:16,770
the wrong time and got in trouble

890
00:44:22,460 --> 00:44:18,960
because he just helped out a guy who

891
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:22,470
looks out please nice stories along the

892
00:44:25,010 --> 00:44:22,800
way

893
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:25,020
yeah these two scared the fish off he

894
00:44:30,110 --> 00:44:27,330
did scare the fish but it's really nice

895
00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:30,120
to come here it's a very historic area

896
00:44:32,780 --> 00:44:32,310
and to wander around at night I really

897
00:44:35,540 --> 00:44:32,790
enjoyed it

898
00:44:37,810 --> 00:44:35,550
yeah very atmospheric especially on a

899
00:44:40,220 --> 00:44:37,820
cold and gloomy light like tonight

900
00:44:42,290 --> 00:44:40,230
seeing the old convict buildings was

901
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:42,300
really striking that was I've never seen

902
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:44,250
those old convict ourselves before that

903
00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:46,050
was really interesting that was quite

904
00:44:49,940 --> 00:44:47,910
harrowing when she was describing the

905
00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:49,950
convict conditions I mean that that sort

906
00:44:53,630 --> 00:44:51,990
of stuff really is you know the wooden

907
00:44:58,820 --> 00:44:53,640
boxes where they kept them chained up at

908
00:45:01,010 --> 00:44:58,830
night in in cold light like this but

909
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:01,020
also in the stinking heat of summer that

910
00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:02,640
would have been deeply unpleasant we saw

911
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:04,200
some of their beds and they were just

912
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:06,090
wooden planks with wooden pillows

913
00:45:10,130 --> 00:45:07,890
yeah and haven't like fought four or

914
00:45:13,610 --> 00:45:10,140
five so one of those poured to a very

915
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:13,620
small bed yes not nice anyway so good a

916
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:15,570
very worthwhile stranger things

917
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:17,970
adventure and we look forward we want to

918
00:45:21,350 --> 00:45:19,410
come back and have a picnic here I think

919
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:21,360
that's the idea probably without the

920
00:45:24,980 --> 00:45:23,490
teenage boys shaking her a lot of

921
00:45:27,290 --> 00:45:24,990
teenage boys shrieking around here's my

922
00:45:28,610 --> 00:45:27,300
mate that was the scariest thing but

923
00:45:33,780 --> 00:45:28,620
it's terrifying

924
00:45:43,100 --> 00:45:42,690
[Music]

925
00:45:49,770 --> 00:45:43,110
you

926
00:45:53,770 --> 00:45:52,150
hi this is Ben Radford and this is

927
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:53,780
Pascual Romero from the squaring the

928
00:45:57,819 --> 00:45:55,970
strange podcast every week my co-host

929
00:46:00,250 --> 00:45:57,829
and I casts a skeptical eye at a

930
00:46:02,170 --> 00:46:00,260
different topic monsters ghosts demons

931
00:46:04,270 --> 00:46:02,180
mysteries and even current events are

932
00:46:06,310 --> 00:46:04,280
dissected and discussed with a fun

933
00:46:08,170 --> 00:46:06,320
unscripted and skeptical take that

934
00:46:10,540 --> 00:46:08,180
you're sure to enjoy find us at squaring

935
00:46:16,850 --> 00:46:10,550
strange comm iTunes or on your favorite

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00:46:26,980 --> 00:46:17,210
[Music]

937
00:46:31,070 --> 00:46:29,420
thank you for listening to the skeptic

938
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:31,080
zone and I am looking forward to meeting

939
00:46:35,450 --> 00:46:32,730
skeptics owned fans and having a good

940
00:46:37,130 --> 00:46:35,460
time in New York at the end of this

941
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:37,140
month early next month for the next

942
00:46:44,089 --> 00:46:40,800
convention conference gathering meeting

943
00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:44,099
I'll see how many interviews I can score

944
00:46:50,089 --> 00:46:47,250
along the way for skeptic zone listeners

945
00:46:52,849 --> 00:46:50,099
and I notice their Brisbane skeptic amp

946
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:52,859
is coming up soon I'll see if I can find

947
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:54,690
some more information about that for you

948
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:57,690
for next week those people in Brisbane

949
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:01,200
Brisbane skeptic amp and finally it was

950
00:47:05,900 --> 00:47:03,090
sad to hear that one of my childhood

951
00:47:09,740 --> 00:47:05,910
heroes passed away over the last couple

952
00:47:11,170 --> 00:47:09,750
of days Adam West for me Adam West is

953
00:47:13,790 --> 00:47:11,180
Batman

954
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:13,800
pure and simple there are lots of other

955
00:47:18,170 --> 00:47:16,530
Batman's flying about and they you know

956
00:47:21,859 --> 00:47:18,180
by and large did a pretty good job and

957
00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:21,869
they were great fun but somehow I saw

958
00:47:28,940 --> 00:47:26,520
Adam West once 9 8 9 10 years ago nine

959
00:47:31,970 --> 00:47:28,950
years ago in Atlanta Georgia when I was

960
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:31,980
attending one of the dragon cons he was

961
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:34,290
a buying a cup of coffee and I looked up

962
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:37,770
and I thought wow there's Batman that

963
00:47:42,109 --> 00:47:38,730
was pretty cool

964
00:47:46,820 --> 00:47:42,119
and of course a bout a week ago two

965
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:46,830
weeks Oh Roger Moore ah who I enjoyed as

966
00:47:50,510 --> 00:47:48,810
James Bond he was great fun but I

967
00:47:52,970 --> 00:47:50,520
admired the man greatly for his

968
00:47:55,550 --> 00:47:52,980
humanitarian work of course Sir Roger

969
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:55,560
Moore coming up next week on the

970
00:48:03,680 --> 00:47:59,760
skeptics own that silence means I'm not

971
00:48:06,109 --> 00:48:03,690
sure like I wonder I don't know I'm

972
00:48:08,210 --> 00:48:06,119
curious to find out myself in fact you

973
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:08,220
know what I'm going to download the next

974
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:09,839
week's episode myself just to make sure

975
00:48:13,339 --> 00:48:12,000
I know what's coming up and thank you to

976
00:48:16,430 --> 00:48:13,349
those people who've been writing in to

977
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:16,440
me and tweeting and facebooking and who

978
00:48:22,579 --> 00:48:18,890
played along with a dice game last week

979
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:22,589
it's quite popular so for all you people

980
00:48:27,859 --> 00:48:24,810
who love that game I have a 10-sided

981
00:48:30,410 --> 00:48:27,869
dice in front of me it's blue by the way

982
00:48:33,500 --> 00:48:30,420
with white numbers so I'm about to roll

983
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:33,510
it so predicting powers at the ready

984
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:37,890
everybody shaking it now and here we go

985
00:48:43,980 --> 00:48:40,650
ten sided

986
00:48:46,530 --> 00:48:43,990
eight all those people who could eight

987
00:48:49,470 --> 00:48:46,540
well done until next week this is

988
00:48:55,890 --> 00:48:49,480
Richard Saunders signing off from Sydney

989
00:48:58,380 --> 00:48:55,900
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